UHillary Clinton noLaurance Rockefeller e-JY Ranch, eJackson Hole, eWyo., Agasti 21, 1995. UClinton uphethe incwadi Ngaba Sisodwa: Iziphumo zefilosofi yokuFumanisa uBomi baseMhlabeni nguPaul Davies . (Ifoto: Oovimba Besizwe)
Umgqatswa wobongameli kwi-Democratic Hillary Clinton kutsha nje wenze amagqabantshintshi angaqhelekanga ngokubhekisele kubukho bamanye amazwe ngexesha lenhlangano yebhodi yokuhlela neNew Hampshire IConway yemihla ngemihla . Ewe, ndiza kufika emazantsi ayo, utshilo uNkskz. Clinton xa ebuzwa ngalo mbandela yintatheli uDaymond Steer.Ndicinga ukuba inokuba sele sikhe satyelelwa. Asazi ngokuqinisekileyo.
UNks.Clinton ukwabonisa ukuba usihlalo wephulo lakhe uJohn Podesta wayenomdla omkhulu kwinto yeUFO. Undenze isibhambathiso ngokobuqu ukuba siza kulukhupha ulwazi, utshilo uMnu.Clinton. Enye indlela okanye enye. Mhlawumbi sinokuba, njengeqela labasebenzi ukuba siye kule ndawo 51.
Umnumzana Podesta, owayesebenza njengentloko yabasebenzi kuMongameli uBill Clinton kunye nomcebisi kaMongameli u-Barack Obama, uthethile esidlangalaleni ngalo mbandela kwixa elidlulileyo. Lixesha lokuba uvule iincwadi kwimibuzo esele ihleli ebumnyameni, kumcimbi wophando lukarhulumente lweeUFO. Lixesha lokuba sazi ukuba yintoni eyona nto iyinyani phaya, utshilo uMnu. Podesta ngexesha lenkomfa yeendaba kwi-National Press Club ngo-2002. Kufuneka sikwenze oko, kuba kulungile, kuba abantu baseMelika, ngokuphandle, iyakwazi ukuphatha inyani, kwaye kufanele ukuba siyenze kuba ngumthetho.
Ukufumana imbali ngeengxelo zikaNks.Clinton, uMqwalaseli wathetha ne-DC esekwe kumhlaba ongaphandle kunye nentloko yeQela loPhando ngeParadigm (PRG), uStephen Bassett, esidlan 'indlebe naye kwinyanga ephelileyo kaSeptemba kwaye ngubani osandula ukufakwa kwi IWashington Post .
Yayithini impendulo yakho yokuqala kumazwi kaHillary Clinton kwi IConway yemihla ngemihla ?
Kuwo wonke u-2007, i-PRG isebenze ukuzisa ifayile ye- Iphulo likaRockefeller kunye nobukho bomhlaba ongaphandle kwiphulo likamongameli. Le nzame ayiphumelelanga ukuzoba uSenator uClinton, kodwa usenokuba uncede ukuvelisa imibuzo ebuzwe kwingxoxo-mpikiswano ka-Okthobha wama-30 eDemokhrasi ePhiladelphia yeCongress Kucinich , Ilungu leSenethi U-Obama kunye neRhuluneli URichardson .
Kwiminyaka esibhozo kamva, amazwi kaNobhala uClinton eNew Hampshire amele umzuzu wokuqhambuka kwimbali yezopolitiko zaseMelika. Iminyaka engamashumi amabini anesithathu emva kokuba ulawulo lomyeni wakhe lwenziwe nguLaurance Rockefeller ukuba akhuphe onke amaxwebhu eUFO kwiifayile zikarhulumente kwaye anike uxolelo kumangqina karhulumente, uNobhala uClinton ekugqibeleni uthethile kumcimbi wobukho bamanye amazwe.
Imibuzo kaDaymond Steer iphawule isiganeko esibalulekileyo, kodwa sisiqalo nje semibuzo ekufuneka ibuzwe kwaye iya kubuzwa nguNobhala uClinton kunye nabo bonke abagqatswa bomongameli.
Ngaba likho ithuba lokuba ezi zimvo zenziwe njengesiqhulo?
Uhlobo lwenyani ebekwe ngoku kwiziko kumhlaba wobukho bomhlaba onjalo, nokuba unganobuzaza kangakanani, kufuneka uncume xa uthetha nomxholo lowo.
Nabani na onamandla ombono wezopolitiko angayiqonda into yokuba akukho sihlalo womgqatswa okhokelayo (uJohn Podesta) kwaye akekho owayengumongameli kunye neqabane lalo mgqatswa (uMongameli uClinton), ngexesha lomkhankaso oya kuthi ekugqibeleni uchithe imali engange- $ 2 yezigidigidi zeedola , uzakuthetha esidlangalaleni umba weUFO / womhlaba ongaphandle — oko kukuthi, ngaphandle kokuba kunyanzelekile. Ukuba bayancuma kwaye badanise kancinci kwinkqubo, kulindeleke njalo.
Ngaba ukonwabile yindlela amajelo eendaba Ndiyichole ibali?
Impendulo yeendaba kwi Ilanga lemihla ngemihla ibali liye labanzi. Ukujongwa kuluhlu lokhangelo kuGoogle olwahlukeneyo lubonisa indawo kwiindawo ezingama-250 zolwimi lwangaphandle, izikhululo zikanomathotholo zaseMelika zaseMelika kunye neendawo zikamabonwakude ezingaphezu kwe-100. Kuyaphawuleka, nangona kunjalo, Inkqubo ye- INew York Times , IWashington Post kwaye ILos Angeles Times ayiligubungelanga eli bali kwaye iNgxelo yeDrudge ayinxibelelananga nayo. I-PRG ifumanise ukuba oku kuyamangalisa kwaye kuyaphoxa.
Ithini imeko yakho efanelekileyo yendlela yemithombo yeendaba kwinyani kunye nokuxela?
Elula. Uninzi lweentatheli, kubandakanya ezinye ezivela kumajelo aphezulu ezopolitiko, buza uNobhala uClinton imibuzo ethe ngqo malunga neRockefeller Initiative kunye nokuzibandakanya kwakhe kuyo. Unika iimpendulo ezinzulu, ngethemba ngaphandle koncumo okanye uncumo. Oku kubangela eminye imibuzo kuMongameli uClinton, uJohn Podesta, iRhuluneli uBill Richardson, uNobhala uLeon Panetta, uMack McLarty kunye noWebster Hubbell. La manenekazi anika inyani kunye neempendulo ezinzulu. Oku kubangela omnye umjikelo wemibuzo ejolise kwi-Pentagon, i-CIA kunye ne-US Air Force, kunye nemibuzo kwiinqununu zabucala zeRockefeller Initiative.
Kuthekani ngeempendulo ezivela kwabanye abagqatswa boMongameli?
Akubangakho mpendulo, ephakamisa owona mbuzo unomdla. Ukususela ngo-1993, iRiphabliki yeQela kunye neendawo ezininzi zeendaba ezigcinayo ziye zazi kakuhle ukuxhuma kweqela likaClinton kumcimbi we-UFO / ET. Ngaphandle kwentiyo enkulu yokwahlulahlula iClintons, abagqatswa beRiphabhlikhi kunye nemithombo yeendaba egcinakeleyo khange balusebenzise olo nxibelelwano ukufumana inzuzo kwezopolitiko.
Ukuba umba wobukho bamanye amazwe ubungekho ngokupheleleyo ngaphandle kokufaneleka, akunakucingelwa ukuba oku kunokuba njalo. Oku kungakhokelela ekubeni ubani agqibe ngobunyani bomcimbi othintela uhlaselo olunjalo.
Ngaba ucinga ngembali kaHillary Clinton ngokubhekisele kwiRockefeller Initiative efakwe kwingxelo yakhe?
Ewe kunjalo. Sesona sizathu siphambili sokuba aphawule. Kukwanjalo nakuJohn Podesta kunye [noMongameli wangaphambili] uClinton.
Usihlalo wephulo likaClinton uJohn Podesta ubopha njani kuyo yonke le nto?
Yimbono yePRG, uJohn Podesta ngoyena mntu uphambili kwiziganeko ezenzekayo ezikhokelela kumnyhadala wokuBhengeza phantsi komongameli weDemokhrasi. Nguye yedwa inqununu yeRockefeller Initiative oye wakhonza uMongameli uClinton (umcebisi, intloko yabasebenzi), uMongameli Obama (usihlalo wenguqu, umcebisi) kunye noNobhala uClinton (umcebisi, usihlalo wephulo).
Ngo-2002 nango-2003 uMnu Podesta wacela ukuba kukhutshwe amaxwebhu eUFO kwiifayile zikarhulumente. Ngo-2010, waphinda lo mxholo kwisandulela sencwadi Ii-UFOs: Iinjengele, abaqhubi beenqwelo moya, kunye namagosa aseburhulumenteni baya kwiRekhodi NguLeslie Kean. Wayebonakalisiwe kuxwebhu lwe-2011 Imfihlo Ukufikelela: ii-UFO kwiRekhodi . Ngo-2015, uMnu. Podesta naye wakhupha imiyalezo ye-Twitter evuselelayo egutyungelwe kakuhle yimithombo yeendaba kuzwelonke nakwamanye amazwe.
Ngaba akhona amanye amanani avela kulawulo lukaClinton okanye iphulo likaHillary Clinton ababebandakanyeka kwiRockefeller Initiative?
I-PRG inamaxwebhu aqinisekisa uMongameli uClinton, uHillary Clinton, uJohn Podesta, uWebster Hubbell, uGqr. John Gibbons ongasekhoyo kunye neCongressman ongasekhoyo uSteven Schiff babandakanyeka ngqo. I-PRG ikwaqinisekile ukuba iiNkosi zabasebenzi uLeon Panetta kunye noMack McLarty, uNobhala uBill Richardson kunye no-Sekela Mongameli u-Al Gore babelazi iRockefeller Initiative. Ukongeza, bekukho abemi babucala abali-16 ababandakanyekayo, abali-12 kubo abasaphilayo.
Kutheni kuthathe ixesha elide ukuba lo mbandela uziswe kunyulo?
Inyaniso ebekwe ngurhulumente ebekwe phakathi kuka-1947 kunye no-1953 isasebenza nanamhlanje, nangona ibuthathaka kakhulu, ibe yimpumelelo. Umongameli ekuphela kwakhe owathi wazisa lo mbandela ngethuba lephulo lakhe yayinguJimmy Carter ngo-1976. Ndangumgqatswa wokuqala wenkongolo ukuba ndiwuthethe lo mbandela ngo-2002. UGqr.Joseph Buchman wayelilungu lesibini lokuvota kwinkomfa ukuba enze njalo ngo-2008.
Kukho umlinganiso olungileyo woku. Kwiminyaka engama-51, urhulumente wase-US wanyanzelisa ilizwe laseCuba. Uninzi lwabantu baseMelika babesazi ukuba kukho isiqithi esisemazantsi amaqhosha eFlorida abizwa ngokuba yiCuba; babengakwazi ukuya apho. Ngoku banako. Konke oku kukuthi uMongameli u-Obama uneminye imiqathango yokuphela ngaphambi kokuba ashiye isikhundla.
Ngaba ungathi uHillary Clinton ngoyena mgqatswa ulungileyo wokuqinisekisa ukubhengezwa ngokupheleleyo kwezinto ezingaphandle komhlaba eMhlabeni?
Ewe, ngenxa yoqhagamshelo lwembali kulo mbandela.
Kudliwanondlebe oludlulileyo noMqwalaseli, uthe u-Barack Obama uzakuba ngumongameli oxelayo. Usayikholelwa lonto?
Ewe. Abantu baseMelika akufuneki ukuba balinde usuku olunye ukuphela kwenyani yokuphela. Akukho mntu waziyo ukuba ngubani oza kuba ngumongameli olandelayo okanye baya kwenza ntoni xa bengena kwi-White House. Ke ngoko, i-PRG ifuna ukuba iziphene ziphele ngoku, oko kuthetha ukuba u-Barack Obama uza kuba ngumongameli oxelayo.
Wenza ntoni wena nombutho wakho ngoku ukuqhubeka nomlo wokuxelwa?
Ayisiyomfazwe — inkqubo yokukhuthaza. Umntu akufuneki akhethe umlo namandla enyukliya. I-PRG iya kuqhubeka nokwazisa amajelo eendaba ezopolitiko kunye ne-US Congress malunga neRockefeller Initiative, uKuva kwabahlali ngokuBhengeza kunye nemfuno yeentlanganiso ezintsha. I-PRG iya kugxininisa ngakumbi kuNobhala uClinton nakwabanye abagqatswa baka-Mongameli. I-PRG ikwafuna amathuba okujongana nomxholo kuyo nayiphi na nakuyo yonke inethiwekhi kunye nemiboniso yeendaba zentambo.
URobin Seemangal ujolise kwi-NASA kunye nokukhuthaza ukukhangelwa kwendawo. Wazalelwa kwaye wakhulela eBrooklyn, apho ahlala khona ngoku. Mfumane I-Instagram Umxholo onxulumene nendawo: @iamfanlalisa
