Elisabeth Moss Ibali lesicakakazi .Hulu Iveki yonke, sizakube sithetha ngotyelelo lwam eToronto kwiseti yeThe Handmaid's Tale… kwiintsuku ezimbini phambi konyulo. Ngaphambili: umboniso womboniso uBruce Miller wokuba kutheni iyantlukwano ixilongo lamava kwigumbi lababhali.
Ndiyintombazana enkulu kwaye ndingavuma xa ndiyoyika… kwaye ndandisoyika ukudibana no-Elisabeth Moss on-set of Ibali lesicakakazi ; udliwanondlebe omncinci wemizuzu eli-10 ugcinwe phakathi kokudubula kwakhe enye yezona ndawo zibalaseleyo kule ncwadi (funda apha ngezantsi ukufumanisa ukuba yeyiphi!) kunye netafile-efundelwe esi siqendu silandelayo. Iitshomi zam ezininzi bezikhankanyile amabali awoyikisayo okuzama ukwenza udliwanondlebe namalungu Indoda ephambene , iseti evaliweyo evaliweyo egcina abadlali bayo beqinile-bethetha malunga nophuhliso lwecebo. Omnye umhlobo wathi uMoss wayedume nje ngokuba yedwa, kwaye akazange anike lukhulu ngexesha labo bekunye. Ndandinemifanekiso yokukhubekeka ngokukhawuleza kwimibuzo emibini ngelixa uMoss 'ngokufanelekileyo' aluhlaza-luhlaza amehlo aluhlaza ajonge kum ngomgwebo kunye nezothe. Yintoni endandinayo ukuyenza eToronto? Kwakufuneka nditshaye ngaphambi kokuba ndihlale phantsi naye.
Yeyiphi, ngokwendalo, apho ndafumana khona uMoss; ngokuzama ukukhanyisa iPalamente emva kwenye yeemoto zamehlo, amapolisa afihlakeleyo kumdlalo. Phambi kokuba ndizazise, amehlo kaMoss ayakhanya.
Owu, uyatshaya? Umdlali weqonga uthe. Enkosi Thixo.
Kwaye mhlawumbi kungenxa yokuba ndingene kulindelo olwehlileyo- ndicinga ukuba ndiza kudibana nokucaphuka, ukucaphuka kunye nethuba lokufumana ilokhwe ePeggy Indoda ephambene -Oko kwenza udliwanondlebe lwethu lubonakale lungcono kunendlela ebelunjalo. Kodwa hayi, ukumamela umsindo emva kokukhuphela esi siqwenga, kunzima ngamanye amaxesha ukuxelela ukuba lelikabani na ilizwi: Moss kwaye sobabini sinomdla wokuthetha ngokukhawuleza, sigigitye kukoyika kwaye sobabini sinomkhwa wokugqibezela izivakalisi xa sonwabile ngento ethile.
Lilonke, u-Elisabeth Moss wandinika udliwanondlebe oluhle, kwaye ndemka ndiphupha iphupha elitsha apho mna ne-Offred entsha singabahlobo abasenyongweni kwaye sihamba kunye. Apha ngezantsi, udliwanondlebe lwethu olupheleleyo.
Uzibandakanye njani nale projekthi?
Elizabeth Moss: Andizange ndiyifunde incwadi phambi kwale projekthi. Ndiyazi malunga nayo, kunjalo. Yenye yezi ncwadi ziyimbali. Ndayifunda xa le nto isiza kum. BendiseOstreliya, ndisenza Ngaphezulu kweLake .
Yikuphi, uxolo ukuxuba, kodwa ibingomnye wemiboniso endiyithandayo ka-2013…
Eneneni, enkosi! Sasiphakamile e-Australia sifota ixesha lesibini xa ndafumana umnxeba malunga noku, kwaye uyazi, eyona nto yam yokuqala yokucinga kukuba andifuni ukwenza enye inkqubo yeTV kungekudala Indoda ephambene , Kodwa ndimelwe kukuxelela, kulapho ZONKE izinto ezilungileyo zikhona.
Ewe… ukunyaniseka nje, kulapho eyona ndlela yokubhala ihamba phambili kwezi ntsuku.
Ngokwenene kunjalo! Ngexesha elithile, kuya kufuneka uye apho kubhalwa khona kakhulu. Ndifundile umbhalo wokuqala, kwaye wawumhle kakhulu kwaye umhle. Kwaye yayiyenye yezo zinto apho ndandiye ndive ukuba omnye umntu uyayenza, ndingangumona okanye ndicaphuke… uyayazi ukuba ndithetha ukuthini?
Ndiyavuma. Nditsho nokuxelela abanye babahlobo bam ukuba ndiza kuya eToronto ndityelele iseti ye Ibali lesicakakazi zabenza baba luhlaza ngenxa yomona. Omnye umhlobo wayeneyona ngongoma ibalaseleyo nangona weva malunga nokuphosa. Uthe, Ewe, u-Elisabeth Moss uzokugqibelela njengo-Offred, kuba uninzi lwale ncwadi lumalunga neenkcazo, into engathethwayo, eqhubeka nje ngasemva kwamehlo. Ngale ndlela, uthelekise uOffred noPeggy in Indoda ephambene . Isithembiso kufuneka sisebenze ngaphakathi kobuhlanti obunoburhalarhume obungenangqondo kunye nokuziphatha gwenxa ukuze siphile, njengoPeggy.
Ngokupheleleyo, kunjalo kanye. Konke kungaphakathi, kwaye ngeendlela ezithile, eli bali likhulu kakhulu kunoko Indoda ephambene, kuba kukho incoko encinci kulo mboniso. Yeyiphi, esele siza kuya kuyo ukuze siyifunde, kwaye kuyahlekisa kuba akukho nto ingako sinokuyifunda! Kukho nje inkcazo eninzi ngamanye amaxesha. Kakhulu, konga kakhulu kodwa kukho eli hlabathi liphela lingaphakathi esizama ukulibonisa.
Kodwa ngenene ndicinga ukuba benza ngantoni aba babhali kunye noBruce ekwenzeni le ncwadi ibe yinxalenye… Ngokuqinisekileyo yenye yezo zinto ufana nazo ndingazi nokuba ndingaziqala njani ukuzama oku, emva koko ufunde ezi zikripthi kwaye ucinge Owu nkosi yam, ziyayenza loo nto! Bayifumene indlela yokujika ilizwi lika-Atwood kunye ne-P.O.V.- kunye ne-Offred's, ilizwi esilifumana kule ncwadi njengeakhawunti yomntu wokuqala- ube yinto onokuyibukela. Kuyakhazimla.
Iinqwelo zamehlo, amapolisa afihlakeleyo aseGiliyadi, zizinto zokuqala endazibonayo xa ndandihamba ngeseti. Kwaye ndicinge nje ukuba babekhwele u-Uber ekhwela ebuyela ehotele yakho. Ngaba ukwenza eli libali langoku, kusetwe ngoku endaweni yekamva, kuchaphazele ukufundwa komlinganiswa? Iinqwelo ‘zeLiso likaThixo’, zezamapolisa afihlakeleyo aseGiliyadi.Hulu
Kulungile, kuba incwadi ibhaliwe phakathi kwe-80s, kodwa isetiwe, ndiyacinga, iminyaka engama-30 ngaphambili. Eziza kubakho ngoku. Apha silapha: 2017. * Yinto nje esihlala siyibeka kumdlalo kwaye sizikhumbuza rhoqo kuwo onke amasebe. Kubaluleke kakhulu ukuba lo mboniso ngoku hayi ikamva.
Zininzi izigcawu ezivela kule ncwadi ezibonakala ngokucacileyo entlokweni yam Ibali lesicakakazi , kwaye xa kwakufuneka ndibeke namhlanje, ndaxelelwa ukuba uza kudubula umboniso wokuqala weScrabble phakathi kukaOffred noMlawuli. Ngokucacileyo lelinye lala maxesha onokulibona nje entlokweni yakho ngelixa ufunda.
Ndiyazi!! Ufikile ngosuku olona lupholileyo ukutyelela iseti… kanye ngexesha elifanelekileyo owona mdlalo ubalaseleyo wexesha lonke .
Uyazi, yayikukuphoswa nje kum! Ngaba ndifuna ukubukela umdlalo we-Scrabble okanye, yithi, wena njengomntu ongathandi ukuthatha inxaxheba kwezona zintathu zibi emhlabeni? Ngendlela, ndiziva ngathi umhlalutyi wam wayethethile loo nto ngaphandle kwayo yonke iTV eyakhe yenziwa, Owona mboniso-kwisiqendu sokuqala, kunye nawe noMlawuli kunye noSerena Joy- ngokuqinisekileyo baya kufuna isilumkiso.
Owu, ingunobangela opheleleyo, ukhathaza ngokupheleleyo. Imbi nje. Kodwa ngendlela engaqhelekanga… ndiyathetha, wonke umboniso udutyulwe kakuhle kangangokuba ngethemba, awuzukuphinda wenzakalise nabani na.
Bendiboniswa istoy yemveliso, kwaye ingathi umntu ngamnye ukumema ukuba ubalise elakhe ibali malunga nokwenzekayo kuloo ndawo. Unokuqhuba nje iifoto ezibekiweyo njengekuphela kwentengiso yalo mboniso, kwaye usaya kufumana ukubambeka okukhulu.
Ndiyazi! Le yinto esithetha ngayo ngalo lonke ixesha. Ngokwenyani, le ngxoxo inye, besinayo yonke imihla xa sibona iifoto. Kuhlekisa kakhulu! Yonke imifanekiso ofuna ukuyithetha ilungile, le iposta.
Ngoku sele uyifundile le ncwadi, ucinga ukuba umboniso uzakuhambelana ngokwaneleyo kangangokuba nabalandeli be purist bayakuthanda ukulungelelaniswa?
Ndicinga ukuba senze umsebenzi olungileyo ngenene kubandakanya nezo zinto zikhunjulwayo ngenene kodwa ikwenza into yokuba abantu babukele abangakhange bayifunde incwadi.
Ndabona ukusuka kwi-stills ukuba umbhali wencwadi, uMargaret Atwood, wenza ukubonakala kwe-cameo kumdlalo. Kwakunjani ukudibana naye? Ngaba ukhe waphuma?
Ha! Ngokuqinisekileyo yayimnandi… andizukutyhila ukuba ithini eyakhe indima, kwi-cameo, kodwa yayizicacele into yokuba ndandikunye naye kwaye ... Ndinxibile kwaye uthini kwaye wenzani? Awunakho ukuphuma?
Ndivakalelwa ngathi ndizakuluma iinzipho zam, ndixhalabile ukuba uza kuwuthiya (umboniso).
Owu, ndiyazi. Ngombulelo, wonwabe kakhulu. Uye wasixhasa ngokumangalisayo ngelixa esinika inkululeko yethu.
Ke, buyela kwezi vans- uxolo ngokuba ngumtshutshisi-kodwa kuyonwabisa ukubukela ukulungelelaniswa kwenye yeencwadi zakho ozithandayo ziphila kube kanye ngexesha.
Kulungile ngokupheleleyo! Ndivakalelwa ngendlela efanayo. Iivenkile zamehlo yenye yezona ndawo ndizithandayo, ngokunjalo. Isigqibo sokubenza matte sasipholile, kwaye ndiyazithanda ezi zinto. Zilungile nje.
Ndithetha noJoseph okomzuzwana nje phambi kwale nto, kwaye bendisithi entlokweni yam, umphathi wayehlala emdala kakhulu. Ndivakalelwa kukuba iya kuba ngumahluko omkhulu phakathi kwenkumbulo yam yokufunda le ncwadi kunye nalo mboniso: i-sexy Commander. Kodwa ndiyabona ngokupheleleyo ukuba isebenza njani; ngandlela thile, isoyikisa nangakumbi ukuba abe ngumntu omncinci, omhle. Idibanisa imida kancinci. UJoseph Fiennes njengoMlawuli uFred Waterford Ibali lesicakakazi .Hulu
Ndicinga ukuba kuhle ngesi sizathu: yenza ubudlelwane phakathi kukaSerena Joy kunye no-Offred kakhulu ngakumbi. Kuba kwenzeka ntoni phakathi kuka-Offred noMlawuli, mhlawumbi ingayi into ethile. Inyani yokuba uSerena yintanga yam inkulu ngenene **, kuba asitsho ukuba akanakuba nomntwana ngenxa yobudala bakhe. Inyaniso yokuba akanakuba nomntwana NGASINYE isizathu imbi kakhulu. Ke ndiba sisisongelo kakhulu, kuba kubudala obufanayo, ndinento endinokuyenza (uMlawuli) angenayo. Kwaye unezinto anokunikela ngazo (yena) engenayo. Yenza imigca iphakame kakhulu, ndiyacinga.
Ibali lesicakakazi yincwadi echazayo ngokubonakalayo, ngakumbi xa kufikwa kwimibala ehambelana nendima yabasetyhini eGiliyadi: ubomvu wesicakakazi, abafazi be-Commanders ngombala oluhlaza okwesibhakabhaka, oluhlaza kaMarthas. Ukubona konke kuhlanganisene ngaphandle kokuba ngaphezulu kweyona nto iphambili kufuneka kube kukwenza umoya.
Wonke umntu apha unetalente, ukusuka kwimpahla yesebe kunye nepropu kubabhali ukuya kwiqela labadlali. Kuyafana, kulungile, oku kunokuvakala ngathi kukuhle, kodwa ngalo mboniso ungaphezulu kwabanye, ungatsho ukuba wonke umntu uzama okona kulungileyo.
Uyazi? Sinento malunga nayo yonke into esiyenzayo apha, yeyiphi le intle, kodwa siyenza ngcono njani?
Izambatho ziyamangalisa ngokunjalo.
Ewe? Amaphiko amakhobokazana: leyo yayiyeyona ncoko inkulu yesinxibo esinayo. Njengantoni are bona? Ngaba simele sizenze? Asifanelanga sizenze na? Ngaba kuya kuba yingxaki? Ngaba iya kuba sisidenge? Kwaye basebenza kuyo, wonke umntu wayesebenza kuyo. Sifike apho kungena khona ukufota kwaye kuthathe imifanekiso yovavanyo. Kwaye sonke sijongile sathi, Owu wow, iyasebenza le nto!
Iya iba nentsingiselo, sinxibe njani, kwaye nangaliphi na ixesha umlinganiswa abonisa naluphi na ulusu. Ngaba sibiza amaphiko ngebhonethi, kwaye intetho yayisithi Nanini na xa ususa ibhonethi, ithetha into. Nanini na xa sibonisa iinwele zethu, ithetha okuthile.
Ikwanokuthetha into kwi-flashbacks: uyandibona ndinxibe ibra yezemidlalo ngaxeshanye, kwaye ijongeka ngokungummangaliso ityhila ngequbuliso, uyazi?
Ngaba imodeli yeHulu ikubhenele konke konke? Ukukhupha iziqendu kanye ngeveki, ngokwesiko njengothungelwano, endaweni yokulahla ixesha elipheleleyo kubabukeli bayo kwaye ubayeke babukele ngesantya sabo? Ndiyathetha, nokuba ukubetha kubonakala ngathi ligama elingalunganga ukufaka izihloko ezinamaqhosha ashushu abonisa iidilesi.
Ngokupheleleyo. Ndiyakuthanda ukuzinkcinkca ngotywala, nkqu. Kodwa kukho into kanye-ngeveki esiphulukana nayo kuyo yonke loo nto. Kubalulekile, kwaye ikwanceda ukuzisa inkalo yenoveli kulo mboniso, apho ufunda khona isahluko ngokuhlwa, okanye ufunde incwadi kwisithuba senyanga. Ufuna lonto.
Kufuneke ndiyinike uHulu kwintengiso yalo mboniso. Ndemka ndingazange ndeva malunga nokuya ngathi andikaze ndonwabe ngakumbi kuthotho lokuqala.
Ndonwabile ukuva loo nto. Kwaye enye into yokugqibela: sonke sifuna ukwenza umboniso wokuba nathi siyakubukela. Uyayazi ndithetha ukuthini? Ndibukele izinto ezifanayo ozibukeleyo. Kwaye sifuna ukwenza into apho ufana no-Owu thixo wam, ndifuna ukubona lo mboniso!
* Kwakunjalo, nangoku ngo-2016 xa ndandiqhuba udliwanondlebe, kodwa uMoss wayethetha ngomhla wokukhutshwa komboniso.
** Kwinoveli, bobabini uSerena Joy kunye nomphathi mdala kakhulu kune-Offred.
