UPete Holmes.UMalik Dupree woMqwalaseli Kuluhlu lwakhe lwe-HBO Ukuphazamiseka , UPete Holmes wadlala inguqulelo yakhe ngokwakhe: ihlaya elinzima elizama ukuyenza kwindawo yokuma kweNew York City. NjengoHolmes, uPete wayekwangumKristu osokolayo ukulungelelanisa inkolo yakhe kunye nemikhuba yezentlalo kunye neyesondo kunye nehlabathi elihlazo elihlekisayo. I-HBO irhoxise umboniso kulo nyaka emva kwesizini yesithathu, kodwa kwimemo yakhe entsha uHolmes uyajula kwaye aqhubeke nebali yena kunye nomyili-co uJudd Apatow babelibalisa.
Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo yinxalenye ye-prequel, enye ye-sequel, eyinxalenye yemanifesto yokomoya. IHolmes inemincili ngakumbi kwaye ixhalabile malunga nenxalenye yokugqibela yencwadi kunayo nayiphi na enye into. Akathandi nto ngaphandle kokuxoxa ngeemfihlelo ezinkulu zobukho kwaye wavuma izihlandlo ezininzi kwincoko yethu yakutshanje ihlazo lakhe elinzulu malunga nokuchonga njengenkolo.
Rhuma kwiNcwadana yeendaba yoMbonisi
Rhoqo xa usithi unenkolo oko kuthetha ukuba ubakhuphele ngaphandle abantu, ugweba abantu, utsho. Ndifuna ukubhala incwadi engayi kuguqula abantu kwinkolelo yam, kodwa kunokuba ibe yinto enye ebonisa into engaphaya kweempawu-into ebonakaliswa kuyo yonke imiqondiso, eyaziwayo njengomphefumlo okanye ukuqonda kwakho okumsulwa. Kulapho ndafumana uxolo novuyo.
Kutshanje uHolmes uthethe noMqwalaseli malunga nokuvela komdlalo ohlekisayo, ukufuna ulwazi kunye nokubaluleka kwe Wonke umntu Poops.
Umbonisi: Umboniso wakho Ukuphazamiseka yayiyimbonakalo entle yomntu. Injani i Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo inxulumene nayo?
Holmes: Ndicinga ukuba abantu abaziva ngathi bayilahla, lencwadi ijonge nzulu kula maxesha mathathu, kwaye iyaqhubeka ukuya kwixesha lesine nelesihlanu. Ukufumana impumelelo encinci, ukudibana nenkosikazi yam, ukuqala Ukuphazamiseka , ndisenza intetho yam, ukuba nomntwana. Ukuba abantu bajonge okwenzekayo ngokulandelayo, le nguqulo yencwadi yalonto.
Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo Ngokuqinisekileyo isithethe sebali eliqhula kunye nezincoko ezingobomi. Xa wawuzimisele ukubhala incwadi, ngaba ubunombono wokuba ingayintoni inguqulelo yakho yememo yehlaya?
Ewe, yahluke kakhulu kwimodeli yesiko. Ndinabahlobo abaninzi abahlekisayo, kwaye babhala iincwadi ezintle. Babhala izinto zabo, okanye babalisa ibali loko kubakhokelele kwimpumelelo kwikhondo labo lomsebenzi. Ayisiyiyo le nto bendiyiyo. Ndicinga ukuba unokuthi incwadi yam yayingumxube we Wazalelwa Emile kwaye Yiba lapha ngoku , kwaye andicingi ukuba ikhona. [ Ihleka. ]
Ndihlekisa encwadini ukuba uRam Dass ngoyena mhlekisi ndimthandayo. Ndibathanda ngokwenene ootitshala bokomoya. Ndizifumana zihlekisa kakhulu. Ndicinga ukuba ubulumko nenyaniso nyani ehlekisayo. Ndabona incwadi njengethuba lokusika kubunzima bayo. Ndisengumntu one-neurotic ngamanye amaxesha. Ndisengumntu onomsindo ngamanye amaxesha. Ndisengumntu otyhwatyhwa ixesha elininzi. Kodwa kukwakho nenxalenye yenu yokwazisa nje kuphela, kwaye yile nto ndiyibona uKristu noBuddha besikhokelela kuyo. AmaKristu athi olo lusindiso. AmaBuddha ayibiza ngokuba kukukhanya. Ndizama ukuthi, andikhathali nokuba uzibiza njani: Nantsi into enobulumko obunzulu kwaye iyinyani enzulu kuye wonke umntu. 
Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo nguPete Holmes.IHarper Wave
Ukhankanyile ixhala lakho, elandibetha kwizahluko zokuqala zencwadi. Ukholo lwakho lwalubonakala lusongelwe luloyiko, nokuba yayiluloyiko ukuba icawe yanikezela ngesikhewu okanye, kamva, uloyiko lwesondo olwafakwa kuwe.
Yayilurhwebo!
Kwakunjani ukuphinda utyelele elo xesha kunye nobudlelwane bakho nenkolo?
Ndifuna ukulumka ndingasebenzisi iidemon nje. Yayiyindawo yokuqala apho ndaziva ndikhuselekile kwaye ndamkelwa, indawo yokuqala apho ndizame ukuma khona kwaye ndafumana ukhuthazo oluxhasayo. Abazali bam bebendixhasa, kodwa ngokungafaniyo nesikolo samabanga aphakamileyo okanye amabanga aphakamileyo, ecaweni wonke umntu wayekhonkxiwe ukuba abe nobubele, kwaye yandikhanyisa kancinci ephupheni lam wayiyeka yadubula kancinci.
Ingxaki, nangona kunjalo, kukuba, kumava am, imodeli esekwe koyika kwaye ukuba / emva koko umfuziselo wentengiselwano: Ukuba uziphethe ngale ndlela, uThixo uyakuthanda. Ukuba uziphethe ngale ndlela, uThixo akazukukungcungcuthekisa ngonaphakade. Ke enye yezona zinto ziphambili lihlazo lesini. Ihlazo yinto enamandla ngokwenene. Ndiyalibala ukuba ngubani othethe le nto, kodwa i-mafia isebenzisa iintloni. Kwaye olona hlazo lukhulu sinalo yimizimba yethu- hayi isini kuphela. Ndihlala ndisitsho Wonke umntu Poops yeyona nto ithengwa kakhulu kuba xa sibancinci sonke sidinga ukukhunjuzwa ukuba yenzeka kuye wonke umntu-awumangalisi. Kwaye xa usondeza isini ngeendlela ezininzi ezibonakalisa imeko yomntu, yinto elula ngokwenene leyo ukuze ukwazi ukulawula nokwenza abantu baziphathe ngendlela ethile kwaye bangenise abantu kwiqela lakho-kwaye bakunike ukomelela ingqiqo yesazisi.
Abanye abantu abakhula bezinkolo bayayithanda le mfundiso baze bayenze ingabonakali kwabanye. Kutheni ungazange ube lolo hlobo lomntu?
Isihloko sokuqala sencwadi sasiza kuba Gateway Thixo -Yaphela iyisahluko. Yayingcinga yokuba, nokuba ungubani na ngokuqonda kwakho ngoThixo, umdlalo uyaqhubeka. Senze uhlobo lokuluguqula lube ngumbono wokuba lumalunga nobunikazi, ubulungu, uvakalelo olufudumeleyo olufumanayo xa lumalunga thina kwaye kubo . Kodwa xa uqaphela ukuba umdaniso uyaqhubeka, ayisiyiyo into oyicingayo okanye oyikholelwayo-yinto ethile kuwe are , umgangatho wokuqonda kwakho, ububanzi kwindawo yakho. Kwaye kufuneka umntu andifundise lonto. Ndacinga ukuba konke malunga, Yile nto iklabhu yethu ikholelwayo .
Xa ndafumanisa uRam Dass kunye noAlan Watts noRob Bell noRichard Rohr kwaye mhlawumbi okona kubaluleke kakhulu xa ndafumana ii-psychedelics, kuxa ndiqale ukungacingi nje, kodwa ndifumana inguqu abathetha ngayo abantu abangaqondakaliyo. Ufumana incasa yayo kwaye iyakutshintsha. Kwakukucotha, ukunyibilika komkhenkce kwimbonakalo yehlabathi yakudala kunye nokucotha ngokulinganayo, ukuphinda kwenziwe ngabom ngabom. Okanye mhlawumbi ungaze uphinde uphinde uphinde uhlale, uhlala ulwelo ngendlela entsha apho ndingayichitha khona imfundiso, isigwebo, umnqweno wesazisi, kwaye ndinikezele ulwelo, olubandakanya ubunye kunye nayo yonke into nayo yonke into. Oko akuthethi ukuba sithanda yonke into, kodwa ungayifumana indawo kuwe apho uyibona ngendlela eyahlukileyo.
I-HBO irhoxisile umboniso wakho emva kwexesha layo lesithathu, kodwa isiphelo sokwenene saziva njengesiphelo esonelisayo somlinganiswa wakho. Ngaba ubenombono wokuba umboniso awunakuhlaziywa, kwaye ngaba oko kube nefuthe kwindlela oligqibe ngayo ixesha lonyaka?
Ngokuqinisekileyo. Umboniso wawuluhlobo lweleta yothando kwizinto ezingahambi ngendlela yakho, kwizinto ezitshintsha ngeendlela ongazifuni okanye ongazilindelanga. Ukuphela kwayo, bendikulungele ukuqengqeleka kunye nokujongana neemvakalelo ngaphandle kwengxaki ezinkulu. Inyani yile, xa sasiyibhala-kwaye xa sasiyidubula, nkqu-ngengozi ndayibiza ngokuba yi uthotho isiphelo. Kwaye yayingendim ndedwa. Ndandihlala ndisithi, Olu luphelo olugqibeleleyo lwamanqaku. Umhlobo wam uRob Bell, umbhali, wayefana, Yile ndlela inyaniso ephuma ngayo ngamanye amaxesha. Uyayazi into ngaphambi kokuba uyazi.
Ngokuqinisekileyo uJud uhlakaniphile ngokwaneleyo, kwaye ngokudibeneyo njengabasebenzi sazi ukuba asiyiyo imvakalelo yenkcubeko. Abantu basithande, kodwa bendingekho kwiqweqwe lika Amatye agiqekayo . Bendingenguye uLena Dunham. Sasinemvakalelo yokuba asizukuba ngumboniso wexesha lesithandathu. Kwaye xa ubhala, ubhala kwi-subconscious yakho, kwaye i-intel iya kuphuma igazi. Ukuba besenze ixesha lesine, uPete ngewayelifumene ikhefu, emva koko andazi ukuba bekuzakuba njalo Ukuphazamiseka akusekho. Imelwe kukuphazamiseka, ingaphumeleli. Olu luhlu luphela, kwaye ufana, Kwenzeka ntoni emva koko? Ewe, wamkelekile kwinto efana nokuba ngumhlekisi. Oko kudlulisa into endizama ukuyinika abahlekisi kunye nabazobi kunye nabantu abayilayo abazibonayo kuyo. Ndonwabile ngendlela eyaphela ngayo. 
UPete Holmes kwiiHBO Ukuphazamiseka. UCraig Blankenhorn / HBO
Ukujonga emva kumava okudala, ukubhala kunye neenkwenkwezi kulo mboniso, kwaye usebenza ngokusondeleyo noJudd Apatow kuyo, sesiphi esona sifundo sikhulu osifundileyo?
Amava okwenza umboniso ahluke kakhulu ekubukeleni umboniso. Yindlela ephambeneyo yokuphila, efunayo. Into endiyifundileyo kancinci kancinci- kwaye ndicinga ukuba abanye abenzi bemiboniso kunye nababonisi bafundile esi sifundo-kukuba kokukhona ndifumene iindlela zokusebenzisana kwaye ndivumele abantu ukuba babe bangobani kwaye bavumele amazwi amaninzi angene, kwaye kokukhona ndivula kwaye ndenza ' ukuthatha umthwalo omninzi, ngcono umboniso ube nawo. Izikripthi ezingakumbi uJudah Miller, umboniso wethu, wabhala ngaphandle kwam-Ndihlala ndithanda ukubhala uyilo lokuqala, kwaye zizikripthi ezininzi-kokukhona ndiqala ukubona amandla. Ngamanye amaxesha kuya kufuneka ubone ngaphaya kwakho. Kuya kuvela abanye abantu bayayazi ukuba bacinga ukuba iyahlekisa kwaye abantu abaninzi bayavumelana nabo, nokuba ndifana, Intoni? Andazi ngaloo nto . Ndafunda ixesha lokuyeka ulawulo. Kwakhona, ungasibona isifundo sangaphakathi kwintetho ebonakalayo.
Umboniso weza ngexesha elinomdla kakhulu lokuhlekisa. Sibuza imibuzo emininzi malunga nento ehlekisayo, efanelekileyo. Ngaba uziva unethamsanqa ngokuba ngumhlekisi ophakamileyo ngoku, okanye uyabamonela abantu bakudala ababedlala xa kuvumelekile ngakumbi?
Ndiyazi ukuba uninzi lwethu luziva ngathi kufuneka siphawule kwabanye abantu abangaphawuliyo, ngokungathi umthwalo udluliselwe kuthi: wena cinga ngoLouie [C.K.]? Kodwa andizukutshintsha nto. Ndiyabuthanda ubomi bam kwaye ndikwindawo yokudlala. Kuyathakazelisa ukubukela inkcubeko yethu iguquka. Ngokucacileyo kukho iintlungu ezikhulayo kunye neentloni kunye neentloni. Kufana nokufikisa okwesibini kwehlaya. Lo ngumlilo ofunekayo emahlathini oya kuthi ngethemba ushiye ihlathi lethu lilinganise ngakumbi. Andithethi ngokususa nantoni na, ngendlela. Kukho indaleko eyenzekayo, kwaye ndihlala ndinethemba.
Ndicinga ukuba siza kuphuma ngcono kwaye sivuke ngakumbi kwaye simnandi, kwaye siyakufumana iindlela zokuba kufanelekile nokuba kubumnyama kunye nobubi bethu. Esoloko isiya kuba ngumsebenzi wobugcisa: ukukhanyisa ukukhanya kwiingcinga ezimnyama kunye nemibono emnyama. Mna ngokwam ndithanda umdlalo ohlekisayo. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba siza kufumana indlela yokufumana ibhalansi kubugcisa bethu.
Ucinga kakhulu ngezinto zokomoya. Ngaba usebenzisa uhlobo olufanayo lokukhangela kwengqondo kwihlaya?
Ewe, yonke into iyinto yonke. Ndibona ukukhula kunye notshintsho kwindawo yamahlaya njengenye nje ye-macrocosm yenguqu yangaphakathi ekufuneka sonke sihamba kuyo. Ngamanye amaxesha kubi, kubuhlungu kwaye kuyothusa, kwaye ngamanye amaxesha kuyonakalisa nje. 
UPete Holmes ungene Ukuphazamiseka. IMacall B. Polay / HBO
Ngaba unayo i-metric yakho yokufumanisa ukuba ingaba ihlaya lifanelekile okanye alifanelekanga?
Ewe, ndikhula ngokwenkolo, bendinesiqalo somdlalo wokuzibamba, kuba besisoloko sizama ukuqinisekisa ukuba yonke into ilungile ngokwaneleyo kwimigangatho yothixo wethu. Ke xa ndangena kumdlalo wokubonisa, bendifana, Andisoze ndibonise impundu! Yeyiphi, ewe, endiyenzileyo amaxesha amaninzi Ukuphazamiseka . Okanye ndithe andizukufunga. Ke ndiye ndabona ukubonakala kwam ndisiya apho ndicinga ukuba ndiyaphambana, kwaye ngokuba ndiphambene ndavele ndafika kwinqanaba lolwandle. Ndiziva ndinethamsanqa lokuba kungafuneki ndenze izibalo-, Ukuba ndithetha oku, inokuthathwa ngale ndlela kwaye kungafuneka ndiphendule ngale ndlela. Ndisentla nje ndithetha ngezinto ezingenangqondo.
Ukuqala kwakho Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo , ubunomzuzwana ngomboniso kunye nepodcast yakho kunye nokuma okhethekileyo kwe-HBO. Emva kokuba uyigqibile incwadi kwaye wawugqiba umboniso, ungalichaza njani ixesha okhoyo ngoku?
Ngumzuzu onomdla kakhulu kum, kuba ndingathanda ukubona ukuba ngaba Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo abantu baya kundamkela. Andinguye umfundi wezakwalizwi. Andinguye umfundisi. Andizange ndiye kwisikolo sobuthixo okanye nantoni na enjalo. Ndiyazibuza ukuba abantu baya kundamkela na kwesi sithuba kwaye bandivumele ukuba ndibeneencoko kwaye ndibhale ezi ncwadi, kuba ndiyakuthanda ukuthetha ngale nto ngaphezu kwayo nayiphi na into. Kuyandonwabisa kakhulu.
Ukuzibandakanya ngesondo ngoThixo iyafumaneka ngoku ngeHarper Wave.
