Amagqabi.(Ifoto: ngoncedo lwee-Swans.) Inkokeli ye-Swans uMichael Gira uvukile kwaye uyathandeka ngentsimbi ye-9 kusasa ngoMgqibelo. Ukuphaphama kwakhe ngeli lixa lokungahloneli Thixo ekuqaleni kunokubonakala ngathi kuyaphikisana nomfanekiso weqela lakhe elimnyama, elixela kwangaphambili, kodwa eneneni likwere ngokugqibeleleyo kunye nokusebenza komculi weStakhanovite. (Ungaze ucinge ukuba ikwangutata wesibini sabantwana abancinci.)
Wazalwa ngo-1982, waqhekeka ngo-1997, wabuya wavuka ngo-2010, Amagqabi emva koko baqala ukutsala abaphulaphuli babo abakhulu kodwa ngenxa yohambo lwe-marathon lwehlabathi, imiboniso emide ye-symphony edlalwa kumthamo we-concussive kunye nokungahoywa ngokupheleleyo kokubini kwintengiso kunye ne-bankable nostalgia.
Yonke into eyenziwa luluntu ngumboniso owoyikekayo wobugcisa kunye nokuzimisela. Amagubu amabini abetha iigongs kunye nee-dulcimers, uChristoph Hahn oguqulweyo we-lap-steel guitar whinnies efana ne-spinning drill bit, kunye no-Gira ngokuyalela aze anikezele kwisandi esivakalayo sesandi, ekhwaza kwi-baritone yenkosi enomsindo emva koko wazibetha ubuso.
Kukhutshwa ngoJuni 17, Indoda eKhanyayo yicwecwe lesithathu elilandelanayo le-Swans-nganye ikhutshwe njenge-mammoth triple-LP iseti- ukudibanisa zonke ii-quirks zebhendi zebhendi.
Iiriffs ezityumza imoto kunye nesingqi sokuhamba kancinci ukusuka kwiminyaka yokuqala yeqela ngoku zihamba ngokungenamthungo kwii-bucolic ngamanye amaxesha, ngamanye amaxesha iindudumo ezandayo ezazibonakalisa izinto zayo zamva. Kodwa into evulekileyo, edibeneyo yokuvalela ithatha indawo yokuqina kwe-lockstep yore, kunye neengoma ezomeleleyo zokudlala ngothando nge-psychedelia yanamhlanje njengoko begquma bedlula uphawu lwemizuzu engama-20. Emva kokuthatha le ndlela kwisiphelo sayo esisengqiqweni, uGira kutshanje ubhengeze ukuba irekhodi elitsha kunye neegig ezixhasayo ziya kuba sisiphelo sokugqibela somzimba wangoku weSwans.
Ngaphambi kweeKonsathi ezizayo zeSwans kwiBowery Ballroom ngoLwesihlanu, nge-29 kaJulayi , kunye KwiHolo loMculo laseWilliamsburg ngoMgqibelo, nge-30 kaJulayi , UGira wathetha noMkhangeli malunga nekamva elibanzi eliphambi kwakhe. 
UMichael Gira.(Ifoto: ngoncedo lwee-Swans.)
Indoda eKhanyayo lirekhodi lokugqibela kulungelelwaniso lwangoku. Ngaba ukwenza umculo naba bantu kufikelele esiphelweni esisengqiqweni okanye ngaba abo ubedlala nabo banezibophelelo ezininzi ngaphandle?
Zombini. Ukuba nebhanti nokuba yinkokeli kuyadinisa. Okwangoku, ndingathanda ukuba nabalinganiswa abajikelezayo njengokuba ndenzile kwiminyaka yoo-80 ukuya kuma-90, abanye babo abanokuphela bengabafana. Ndiza kuyithatha ngokurekhoda. Kodwa emva kweminyaka esixhenxe behlala bekho omnye komnye kangangeentsuku ezingama-200 ezidityanisiweyo ngonyaka, sonke siyothuka ukufumanisa ukuba sinobomi. Banazo ezinye izinto abafuna ukuzenza, kwaye ndijonge phambili ekufumaneni ixesha elingakumbi lokufunda, ukumamela umculo kunye nokucinga.
Ngaba akukho mntu uyeke ngesiquphe okanye wafuna ukubuyiselwa?
Hayi hayi. Ndivakalelwa kukuba eli lelona xesha lelona lihle ebomini bam. Kukho ukuzimisela okwenyani ukuvumela iingoma ukuba zisikhokelele kwiindawo ezingalindelekanga zihlala, ukuze siphonononge. Andizange ndizive ndikhululekile ukuyenza loo nto ngaphambili. Ndicinga ukuba kufanelekile ukuthi siyathandana kwaye sisajonge phambili kukhenketho emva koko sijingise elunxwemeni lweliwa. Ndifuna nje ukwazi ukuba kwenzeka ntoni emva koko.
Kolu khenketho, umdlali webhodi yezitshixo uPaul Wallfisch uzakuthatha indawo yomdlali oshayayo owayebetha umdlalo wengoma uThor Harris. Kutheni uThor washiya, umfumene njani uPaul kwaye uza kuzisa ntoni etafileni?
Oku kugqitywe emva nje kokuba sigqibile ukurekhoda icwecwe elitsha, ngoSeptemba okanye ngo-Okthobha. Umama kaThor ukhulile kwaye ufuna ukuhlala esondele kuye. Wayedinwe nayinkqubo yethu yokhenketho kwaye unomculo wakhe. Sisondele kakhulu kwaye akukho ntiyo phakathi kwethu konke konke. Ndadibana noPaul amatyeli aliqela kule minyaka idlulileyo, kwaye udlala naye UAnnie omncinci , oye wakhenketha nathi.
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Wayengumculi weendwendwe kwi-albhamu yangaphambili ye-Swans, Ukuba Nobubele , ukusukela ngo-2014.
Xa uTor wagqiba kwelokuba ahambe, ndafowunela uPaul. Besivana kakhulu. Wongeza iibhodi yezitshixo, ipiyano kunye ne-organ. Olu luhlobo lwendlela ecekisekayo yokubeka, kodwa ndiyaqikelela ukuba isandi singaphezulu kweokhestra ngoku.
Ke ngekhe kuphinde kubekho amagubu amabini eqongeni?
Hayi Kufuneka uqhubeke. Andiyi kuzama ukuxelisa into eyenziwa nguThor.
Ngaba uya kuba usenza naziphi na izinto ezindala ?
Hayi ndisebenzisa amagama avela kwingoma Uxinzelelo [ukusukela ngo-1992 Uthando loBomi ] kodwa umculo wahluke ngokupheleleyo. Ngaphandle koko, akukho zibhengezo.
Iirekhodi ezintathu zokugqibela zivakala njenge-trilogy. Kutheni ucinga ukuba kukho ukungangqinelani phakathi kwala ma-albhamu?
Ivela kwiqela. Ndingumlawuli womculo kodwa ivela kwiimvakalelo zabadlali kunye nendlela iingoma ezikhula ngayo zihlala. Mhlawumbi isiqingatha seerekhodi ezintathu zokugqibela zeza ngaloo ndlela; ezinye izinto zizinto endizibhalileyo kwikatala ye-acoustic kwaye ndasebenza estudiyo. Ke zimbini iindlela ezahlukileyo zokwenza iirekhodi. Kodwa isandi esandayo, esihlala sikhula sivela ekusebenzeni.
Ngaphambi kokuba uyirekhode, utshintshe amazwi kunye nesihloko sengoma yoMntu oMnyama oMnyama waya kwelona themba loMntu oKhanyayo.
Lowo yayingumnini wendawo. Ndandingekazokuza nento endandicinga ukuba ngamagama alungileyo. Umntu oMnyama oMnyama uyi-puerile, akunjalo? 
Amagqabi.(Ifoto: ngoncedo lwee-Swans.)
Amagama aphantse abonakala ngathi ayinto encinci xa kuthelekiswa nomoya wonke okanye isandi.
Bendingayi kuvumelana negama elingaphezulu koko, kodwa ziimpawu nje zomqondiso apha endleleni. Okwexeshana, kwingoma Umwexuki [ethe ekugqibeleni yakhutshwa ngo-2012 UMboni ], Bendicula igama [likaLady Gaga]. [Ehleka] Ndamncoma okwethutyana. Ndacinga ukuba une-moxie eninzi. Ngokungafaniyo neenkwenkwezi ezininzi ze-pop ze-ilk yakhe, eneneni uyakwazi ukucula kakuhle.
Ndicinga ukuba uvela kwiklasi ethile, inkcubeko ebanzi ye-Broadway.
Yinto engaqhelekanga kwilizwi lam kodwa, kwicala le-schmaltzy, ndinentlonipho enkulu kumntu ofana noBette Midler. Okanye, kwelinye icala, umntu onje uFrank Sinatra okanye uNina Simone. Bangabonwabisi. Ishishini lomculo kwezi ntsuku lenza izinto zibe luhlobo oluqhelekileyo, kodwa bendicinga ukuba uLady Gaga ulungile. Andisahoyi kodwa, okwexeshana apho, bendikhona. Njengaye wonke umntu.
Ngubani Indoda eKhanyayo?
NguDonald Trump; awunakuxela? [Ehleka] Ndicinga ukuba kufanelekile ukuba kucace. Yimeko yengqondo.
Kulungile? Iyimbi?
Kulungile, kunjalo. Ingxelo yonke intle, ngokokubona kwam. Luthando kuphela.
Kuwo onke amazwi, uyangcungcuthekiswa ngumntu owonayo ogama linguJoseph, okhe wavela kwiingoma zakho ngaphambili. Yintoni ebalulekileyo?
Ndicinga ukuba luhlobo lwe-animus kunye neengelosi zomthunywa. Umbhali, uvela kwindawo engenakuchazeka apho kuvela amagama kunye nokuhamba kokuyila. Ndinomdla kwezi ntsuku ekupheliseni ngokupheleleyo isiqu sakho. Bendinethemba lokuba uzakundinceda kulo mzamo.
Xa ndandikwishumi elivisayo, ndathatha i-LSD eninzi: Ndiza kujonga ubuso bam iiyure iiyure kwaye ngequbuliso bendizakube ndimjongile omnye umntu wasemzini, onobunyani bakhe kwaye elilungu elipheleleyo elingaphandle kokwazi kwam. Mhlawumbi inguye? 
UMichael Gira, uPhil Puleo kunye noChristopher Pravdica waseSwans ngomhla we-2 weCahelhella 2015.(Ifoto nguMat Cowan / imifanekiso kaFetty)
Uphawule iingoma zamafu okungazi kunye nelifu lokulibala njengemithandazo. Imithandazo yantoni?
Iincwadi endizifundayo zihlala zivuza kumagama. Xa sasiqala ukwenza ezo ngoma, ndandineengoma ezingamanyala kwaye ndandifunda incwadi ebizwa Ilifu lokungazi ngumKristu ocinga ngenkulungwane ye-14 oyimfihlakalo. Kwabhalwa ngohlobo lweleta eya kwi-acolyte, ukumkhokela kwindlela yokufikelela kumanyano kunye nobuthixo. Luhlobo oluthile lokuxhuma kokholo luka-Kierkegaard: ukunikezela ngamava akho, ulwimi lwakho, isazisi sakho kunye nokuzikhukhumeza kwakho ngobukho kwaye uvuleleke kakhulu kuthando okanye amandla obomi angasemva kwayo yonke loo nto.
Kufana kakhulu nobuBuddha, nto leyo enomdla kum ngayo. UbuBuddha abulikhankanyi igama elithi thixo, ngendlela. Kwaye ndafunda incwadi enomdla kwaye intle malunga nonyaka odlulileyo obiziweyo Ifilosofi engapheliyo ngu-Aldous Huxley. Uzoba ukufana phakathi kweminqweno yokomoya yeenkolo ezahlukeneyo, malunga nokufuna umanyano kunye nobuthixo kunye nelahleko yesiqu.
Kuyimfuneko ukulibala njengenxalenye yenkqubo. Ukuba ukhe ucamngce, uyakufumanisa ukuba unale ncoko engqondweni yakho: Ndimele ndiyenze le nto okanye ndiyayithiya loo njakazi okanye ndiyayithanda loo nondindwa okanye kufuneka ndiye evenkileni ngoku. Kuya kufuneka ujolise kwaye ube kanye kulo mzuzu, iphantse ibe yinto engenakwenzeka. Ilifu lokuLibala malunga nokushiya zonke izinto zekota zobomi ngasemva.
Ngaba ucamngca rhoqo?
Ndiyavuma. Hayi kangangoko ndingathanda. Yinjongo yobomi ukuyenza into ehambelana ngakumbi. UZen, ngokukodwa, ubhenela kum kuba lelona sebe lincinci elinobuqaqawuli lobuBuddha. Yeyona nto yomileyo kunye nepragmatic kwaye imalunga nokuqonda okumsulwa. Andikuthandi ukugxininiswa koothixo bamanye amasebe. Ukuphindukuzalwa akunomdla kum.
Kukho i-hocus pocus kuzo zonke iinkolo kodwa konke kuhambelana. Kukho iingcinga ezintle zamaKristu, ngokunjalo: ndiyafunda Ubusuku obumnyama boMphefumlo ngu-St. John woMnqamlezo ngoku, efana kakhulu nento ekuyo Ilifu lokungazi.
Eli lelona xesha lelona lihle ebomini bam. Kukho ukuzimisela okwenyani ukuvumela iingoma ukuba zisikhokelele kwiindawo ezingalindelekanga zihlala, ukuze siphonononge. Andizange ndizive ndikhululekile ukuyenza loo nto ngaphambili.
Ndiyakholelwa ukuba konke kukhokelela kwindawo enye, nokuba yeyiphi na indlela esetyenziswa ngabantu. Ukunikezela izinto ngokusondeleyo kuyo kukhokelela kubufundamentali, endicinga ukuba bubudenge ngokwenene.
Kodwa eyona njongo iphambili yokomoya kwinkolo-hayi imfundiso zenkolo iyafana kuninzi lwezenzo. Ngoku ukuba ndinomdla kule nto ngokungathí sina, ndiye ndafumanisa ukuba yinto endiye ndathandana nayo kangangeminyaka, ngaphandle kokwazi ngokwenyani ukuba inezinto ezifanayo ekuziqhelaniseni ngakumbi.
Kwinqaku elingaphezulu lomhlaba, inkosikazi yakho, uJennifer, ucula ingoma entle ebangela isisu Indoda eKhanyayo ebizwa Ndiza Kubuya Nini? Yintoni ibali emva kwalonto?
UJennifer wayehlala eNew Orleans ixesha elide. Wayebuyele ukutyelela, emva kukaKatrina, kwiminyaka emithandathu eyadlulayo. Wayekwindlu yomhlobo wakhe kwaye waya kwivenkile yasekuhlaleni esiya kufumana ukutya kanye xa kwakurhatyela, ngokuhlwa kwangoko. Indoda yaxhuma etyholweni yambamba kwaye izama ukumrhuqela emotweni yakhe. Walwa naye ngokuqatha, njengokuba eloluhlobo lomntu. Kwaye ubomi bakhe babukhazimla phambi kwamehlo akhe kodwa wala ukuyamkela. Ke walwa, kwaye wabetha ikaka kuye.
Owu, Yesu.
Kwaye ke wayesilwa kwaye ekhwaza. Ekugqibeleni abantu beza, wasaba. Amava yinto eqhubeka nokwazisa ubomi bakhe rhoqo. Oku kwenzeke ngaphambi kokuba ndidibane naye, kodwa ndizibonile ukuba unengxaki nayo. Undicacisele ukuba into enje itshintsha i-chemistry yengqondo yakho unaphakade. Amaphupha amabi kunye neziganeko ezahlukeneyo zibangela ukukhutshwa kohlobo olufanayo lweekhemikhali. Yiloo nto eyenzekayo kumagqala, ngokunjalo.
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PTSD. Umxholo ndiza kubuya nini? ibhekisa ekubuyeni kwimeko yesiqhelo yengqondo kabani?
Ewe. Ndayibhala njengerhafu kuye, njengesenzo sothando. Ukuqala kwam ukumdlalela, wayenomdla. Kodwa kwakunzima kakhulu kuye ukuyicula.
Kuyaqondakala ukuba kunjalo.
Oko kwabhalwa kwihlobo ephelileyo. Khange ayimamele ukusukela ngoko.
Ngaba uyenzile ngengoma emnandi kwi-albhamu malunga nento enogonyamelo?
Andazi. Ingoma yayibhalwe kwikatala ye-acoustic kwaye ulungiselelo lwalubonakala lufanelekile. Ndiyathanda nje ukusebenzisa iimvumi zabasetyhini kwiirekhodi. Kule meko, uJennifer unelizwi elikhulu kunye nebali elinamandla lokulixelela. Ndicinga ukuba ndicwangcise okanye ndicule le ngoma ngogonyamelo okanye ngendlela eyoyikisayo ibingayi kuba yinyani kwaye ibiya kuba iyinyhasha inyani kunye nokubekeka kwentsebenzo.
Ngaba unawo amanye amagqabantshintshi kwizityholo zikaLarkin Grimm zokuba wamdlwengula ngonyaka ka-2008, xa wayeligcisa elatyikitywa kwirekhodi yakho Thixo oselula ?
Babuxoki ngokupheleleyo. Kuchasene ngokupheleleyo nenyaniso, enyanisweni.
Into eyenzekayo phakathi kwethu yayisisiyatha, kodwa yayivumelana ngokupheleleyo, nangaliphi na igama elitolikwa. Kwakugqityiwe kwaye macala omabini inxaxheba. Ekugqibeleni, yayikukungenelela okungathandekiyo nokuzisola phakathi kwabantu abadala ababini abakhokelele ndawo. [Ibango lakhe] liyamangalisa nje kum. Ndothuka kwinyanga xa kusenzeka lento. Kwakungathi umntu ugalela ikomityi entsha yebhetri kwingqondo yam.
Ukuqala kwam ukuya esidlangalaleni, okwathatha ixesha elininzi, ndacinga ukuba ndiza kungxoliswa, ngokuxulutywa ngamatye kwindawo kawonkewonke.
Ngelishwa, kwimeko yemithombo yeendaba yanamhlanje, ndicingelwa ukuba ndinetyala ngabantu abaninzi kwaye nantoni na endiyithethayo ilukhokelo kwityala lam ekucingelwa ukuba lilo okanye litolikwa njengoluhlaselo lwexhoba elithile, ekungaqinisekwanga ngalo.
Kwakunzima ngendlela emangalisayo ukwenza ukhenketho lwam [lwaseYurophu] ndedwa [entwasahlobo]. Ngelishwa, kwimeko yemithombo yeendaba yanamhlanje, ndicingelwa ukuba ndinetyala ngabantu abaninzi kwaye nantoni na endiyithethayo ilukhokelo kwityala lam ekucingelwa ukuba lilo okanye litolikwa njengoluhlaselo lwexhoba elithile, ekungaqinisekwanga ngalo.
Ndiva futhi kubalulekile ukuba ndibonise ukuba izityholo zokumshiya kwileyibhile ngenxa yezizathu ezithile ezingathandekiyo zibubuxoki. Ngo-2009, ndaye ndophuka kwaye ndenza isigqibo sokuqalisa kwakhona ii-Swans. Kungekudala emva kwesi sigqibo, ndamazisa kunye nabo bonke abanye abaculi kwileyibhile ukuba andinakukwazi ukuthatha naziphi na iiprojekthi ezintsha, ukuba andiyi kuba nexesha okanye imali yokwenza njalo. Ndiqhubekile okwethutyana ngeeprojekthi endisele ndizibophelele kuzo, kodwa kunjalo.
Ndingumntu osebenzayo kakhulu, ke eyona nto ibuhlungu, ngaphandle komonakalo onzulu nongapheliyo kubathandekayo bam nakwidumela lam, ibekwe kwindawo apho ndingenakwenza nto khona. Awunakho ukungqina into egwenxa. Ndiya ndisiba ngcono ekujonganeni nale ngxaki ngokwasengqondweni ngoku, kodwa ndinethemba lokuba, ngaxa lithile, inyani iyaphuma, kwaye oku kuyasonjululwa.
Uthetha ukuba uyavuma ukuba wenze okanye watshintsha iinkcukacha ezithile zebali?
Ewe. Iya kuba yinto elungileyo ukuyenza, ngokuqinisekileyo. Kodwa yintoni amathuba oko? Andazi. Ndihlala ndimthanda kwaye ndicinga ukuba unetalente kakhulu kwaye ukrelekrele, kwaye bendimxhasa kakhulu kunye nomculo wakhe, njengoko esazi. Andimqapheli umntu onokwenza into enje. Kodwa ndiziva ndinobutshaba. Ngokuqinisekileyo ibe sisifundo ekuthobekeni, ndiza kuthi. 
UMichael Gira.(Ifoto: ngoncedo lwee-Swans.)
Malunga no-1983, u-Sonic Ulutsha waboleka ngoxolo iseti yamazwi akho engoma yabo Ihlabathi liBukeka liBomvu. Kutheni uzibuyisile ezo ngoma zengoma ekwi-albhamu entsha?
Ndidlala nje ikatala kwaye, ngasizathu sithile, ndaye ndacinga ngala magama ndaza ndaqala ukuwacula. Babezizalisa nje. Ndaye ndacinga ukuba kutheni ungazisebenzisi? Ewe kunjalo, zibhaliwe ngumntu wasemzini okwangoku. Andinalwazi lokuba ngubani lo mntu. Zintle kakhulu paranoid.
Ukwenzela mna, bakukhuthaza ngamandla ukuhamba-hamba kwiindawo ezingakumbi zeNew York, njengeChinatown.
Andizange ndihambe kakhulu ngezo ntsuku. Bendihlala ndingaphumi iveki yonke. Bendi agoraphobic kakhulu. Zininzi izinto ezingaqhelekanga ezaziza kuhamba ngengqondo yam, ngelo xesha, ezazibangelwa ziikhemikhali, ndicinga njalo. Ixesha elide, umbono wam wehlabathi wawusaziswa ngokutya izixa ezikhulu ze-LSD xa ndandisemncinci kakhulu. Ezinye zezo ngcinga mhlawumbi zivela kuloo nto.
Ndicinga ukuba i-LSD yayiluncedo kakhulu kuba yandinika ingqiqo yolu hlobo lwamandla kaThixo afaka yonke into. Andizukukhuthaza nabani na ukuba ayithathe. Okanye mhlawumbi ndingathanda? Andazi! Kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo ivula imbono eyahlukileyo yobukho, obungenakho ukufikelela kuyo. Oko kwahlala nam unanamhla.
Ukubuyela kwangoku, ngaba kuyothusa ngakumbi okanye kuyonwabisa ukutshintsha ngokupheleleyo ibhendi emva kweminyaka emininzi?
Zombini. Andifuni ukwenza izinto ngentloko. Njengoko benditshilo, ijinga ecaleni komwonyo. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba yindawo elungileyo ukuba lapho.
