UMarina Abramović.Imifanekiso kaGetty Ukusuka kumboniso odumileyo we-MoMA kaMarina Abramović, Umzobi ukho, Ukuhamba kwakhe iimayile ezili-1000 kuDonga oluKhulu lwase China, iziko lakhe lobugcisa, kunye nokusebenzisana nezinto ezithandwa nguJay-Z noLady Gaga, kungalinga ukucinga ukuba igcisa elenza izinto ezininzi likwenzile konke .. Kodwa Ngelixa uhlala emangalisa ngeeprojekthi ezintsha, igcisa laseSerbia elizinze eNew York likwathathe umzuzu onqabileyo ukujonga ngasemva, ukubuyela ezingcanjini zakhe eBelgrade ukufumana uxwebhu olutsha ngobomi bakhe, Ukubuya: UMarina Abramovic kunye naBantwana baKhe .
Ifilimu ilandela umzobi ekukhokeleni kwakhe eBelgrade, Umcoci, kwi tyena IMyuziyam yoBugcisa bemihla ngemihla Ngo-2019, emva kokujikeleza ezinye izixeko ezithandathu zaseYurophu. Luhambo olungelolwabizo (kodwa alunaswazi) njengoko ephinda ehlaziya iihaun zakhe ezindala, ukusuka kwikhaya lakhe lobuntwana ukuya kwimimandla yakhe yakudala. Umboniso likhaya eliza kuAbramović, owayefuna ukubonisa abantu baseBelgrade uhlobo lobugcisa ebekade esenza kule minyaka ingama-50 idlulileyo, ekhuthazwe kakhulu lilizwe lakhe kunye nemvelaphi yakhe. Ikwabonisa ukuba kunjani kumculi obaleke ekhaya ukuba abuye emva kwempumelelo phesheya.
I-documentary, ekhokelwa ngu-Boris Miljkovic, kutshanje yenze iphambili yayo kwi-Sarajevo Film Festival kunye nezikrini elandelayo Umnyhadala weValencia Umnyhadala wefilimu eSpain nge-22 ka-Okthobha.
Kwiveki ephelileyo, uAbramović wenze i-opera yakhe Ukufa kukaMaria Callas kunye neBavarian State Opera eMunich, esekwe kwi-20 eyaziwayothImvumi ye-opera yenkulungwane kunye nothando lwakhe lobuqu no-Aristotle Onassis (owayetshatile noJackie Kennedy). Kwi-opera, iziqwenga zika-Abramović kunye nokuphela kwee-opera ezisixhenxe zeCallas zaziwa, ezisisiseko sokufa kwabantu abasixhenxe; ukusuka ekutsibaleni ukuya kurhaxwa kunye nokukrwitshwa. Ngokubhubha kwe-opera diva yokwenyani, eyedwa kwigumbi lakhe laseParis, uAbramoviamo uyibeka phantsi intliziyo eyaphukileyo.
U-Abramović bekufanele ukuba ulungiselela ukuvula iRoyal Academy yakhe enkulu yezobugcisa eLondon ukuwa-okokuqala ukuba umntu obhinqileyo anikwe ithuba lokubuyela kwindawo yezobugcisa eyimbali yimbali yayo engama-250 (ihlehliselwe u-2021) -kodwa u-Abramovic ubonakalisile umoya wakhe wokuziqengqa ngokuqengqeleka ngamanqindi ka-2020. UthethilekuMjongiMalunga nomsebenzi omgcine eqhubeka nentliziyo yakhe ebuhlungu, kunye neenkumbulo zokwenza olu xwebhu lubuyile.
Umkhangeli: I opera yaya njani eMunich nge-5 kaSeptemba?
Marina Abramović: Kukutyhala kweminyaka engama-30 ukukuqonda oko. Ihambe ngezigaba ezahlukeneyo-bendifuna ukuyenza ifilimu. Kodwa bekungekho ngqiqweni kuba ndifuna abalawuli abohlukeneyo ukuba baqondise iindawo ezahlukeneyo, iPolanski, uLars Von Trier, Iñárritu. Ndinoluhlu olunamabhongo. Akuzange kubekho nto. Ndifumene isimemo esivela kwi-Bayerischer Opera ukuba ndifuna ukwenza indlela eyahlukileyo ye-opera. Bathi: Kulungile, masenze le projekthi. Uhambo lwaqala kwiminyaka emibini edlulileyo ngesikripthi, emva koko zongeza iimpahla, ikhondaktha, ukukhanya. Ndithathe bonke abahlobo bam, eyona ilungileyo, ukuba ndisebenzisane kule projekthi. Siqhelisele ngoMatshi kwaye sathengiswa ngo-Epreli, zonke izihlalo ezingama-2,300. Kwiintsuku ezintlanu kamva kwafika ukukhiya.
Uqhubeke njani ngamanyathelo okushenxisa ekuhlaleni?
Besixhelekile kodwa siqhubekile sisebenza ngokudibana kwezentlalo. Ndivavanyelwe i-COVID-19 amatyeli alithoba ngoku. Ndivavanya veki nganye. Sasisebenza ngepiyano kwaye sasiyigcina ilula neemvumi ezisixhenxe. Asinazo iikhorasi, imvumi enye kuphela ngexesha eqongeni. Sasisodwa i-opera esebenza ngexesha lokutshixa. Senze inkulumbuso ngoSeptemba kodwa saxelelwa kuphela abantu abangama-200 ukuba baye, kodwa kwiintsuku ezimbalwa ngaphambi kwenkulumbuso, bayandisa kubantu abangama-500. Besiphelile inyanga. Ndiziva ndonwabile, ndidiniwe kwaye ndiyathemba ukuba singayikhenketha kwikamva. 
Indawo evela kuMarina Abramović's Ukufa kwesixhenxe kukaMaria Callas. I-Opera State Opera / Youtube
Kutheni i-opera yengcinga?
Kukho ifilimu, ukusebenza, umculo, izinto ezininzi ezidityanisiweyo. Inika umoya opholileyo kwi-opera, leyo yindlela yobugcisa yakudala ekunzima ukuyitshintsha. Ngalo lonke ixesha uzama ukutshintsha into kwi-opera, ulinde nje ukuba iitumato ezibolileyo ziphoswe kuwe.
Le opera malunga nentliziyo ebuhlungu. Ngaba yinyani xa umyeni wakho [umculi uPaolo Canevari] ekushiyile loo msebenzi ukugcinile?
Umsebenzi undisindisile. Yonke into awayeyifuna uCallas yayikukuba nomntwana kwaye atshate. Oku kwakundothusa. Xa unesipho njengoCallas, unelungelo lokupha. Kuya kufuneka wabelane nabanye abantu, kunqabile kakhulu. Abantu bayandibuza: Ukuba ubunokudibana noMaria Callas namhlanje, ungathini kuye? Ndiza kuthi kuye: Unelungelo lokupha isipho sakho. Ukuba wayenemfazwe ekufuneka eyenzile, yayiya kumsindisa.
Uhlale njani uxakeke kukuvalelwa yedwa?
Bendixakekile kodwa ibiyintsikelelo kum. Ndiyazi ukuba abantu bayahlupheka. Kodwa yandibuyisela ezingqondweni zam, ndikwigadi yasemaphandleni, ndibukele inkumba inqumla isitalato, amaxhama ayadlula. Izele luvuyo. Ukuba siphila ngoku, ixesha alikho. Siyonwaba nje yonke imihla njengosuku lokugqibela lobomi bakho. Ukuzola nokuhlekisa okuthile kwabuyela kum. Kodwa kukwakho nobunzima obuninzi kubazobi, abangathengisiyo ngomsebenzi wabo ngoku.
Ndiyaxolisa ukuva malunga Ukusweleka kweqabane lakho langaphambili, u-Ulay , ngoMatshi. Ngaba ukhe wakhathazeka ngexesha elililo?
Wayegula iminyaka eli-10. Ngokwenene yayingummangaliso kule minyaka mithathu idlulileyo wayiphilayo. Wancipha kakhulu kwaye wayenamandla amangalisayo okuqhubeka. Ngomhla wokutshixa, wasweleka. Khange ndikwazi ukuya emngcwabeni. Ndijonge phambili ekubuyiseleni phambili umboniso wakhe kwiMyuziyam yaseStädel eFrankfurt . Isihloko somboniso Ulay Wayelapha. Ndiya kuvulwa kwaye ndiza kuxhasa nayiphi na indlela endinokuyenza.
Kwakunjani ukudubula uxwebhu, Ukuza ekhaya ?
Owu thixo wam, kwakubuhlungu ukufika ekhaya. Uthando nenzondo, ukudibanisa iimvakalelo. Ndinenkxaso engakholelekiyo kwisizukulwana esincinci kodwa ukwaliwa okumangalisayo kwisizukulwana sam. Yayingumxube wazo zonke ezi zinto zidibeneyo.
Elona candelo lichukumisayo kuxa utyelele ikhaya lakho lobuntwana? Yahluke njani?
Olu cango aluzange luvulwe nanini na xa ndityelele, kwaye ngeli xesha linye, ucango luvulekile.
Ubaleke waya kude nonyoko, kwakutheni ukuze abe nzima kuwe? Ngaba bekukho okuhle kuyo?
Undifundisile uqeqesho kunye nocwangco. Ndinoqeqesho lwentsimbi kunye namandla. Ukuba bendingenayo bendingenakwenza ipesenti ezingama-80 zezinto endizenzileyo ebomini bam. Kwakungenakwenzeka. Yayiyintsimbi yentsimbi yobukomanisi. Ndenza uxolo nayo kwaye ndaziphilisa ngomsebenzi wam. Ndabeka ngobomi bam eqongeni. Ngandlela thile, kuya kusiba nzima. Andisakhali nge past yam okanye ubuntwana bam.
Ngaba ubuyakwazi ukunxibelelana kwakhona nabantu bexesha lakho elidlulileyo eBelgrade xa ubuyayo?
Ukubuya kwakungathi luxolo. Zonke iinkumbulo, nabantu endibathandayo bebengafuni ukundibona. Ndiyabakhumbuza ngayo nantoni na ebomini babo. Ndinqwenela ukuba nabahlobo abahlanu endandinabo kwiZiko leNkcubeko yaBafundi emva phaya, kodwa ndandize babini kuphela. I was really hurt by that, bendifuna ukutya nabo kwaye sincokole ngamaxesha othando. Kwakungenakwenzeka. Umsantsa wawumkhulu kakhulu, mkhulu kakhulu.
Kwincwadi ebhaliweyo, uthi umsebenzi wakho unokwenziwa kuphela ngabaphulaphuli, umsebenzi wobugcisa owenziwe nabaphulaphuli njengamntu mnye. Ingenziwa njani ngoku ubhubhane?
Ukusebenza kunokwenziwa kuphela ngonxibelelwano noluntu. Umenzi wobugcisa kunye noluntu bayawugqiba umsebenzi. Ukufa Okumnyama kwi-14thinkulungwane yathatha iminyaka eli-15. Umhlaba wasinda. Lo bhubhani sinayo inzululwazi, inokuhlala eminye iminyaka embalwa. Ubugcisa buya kuphila. Andiqondi ukuba ubugcisa bumele buyekelele kubhubhane. Kufuneka silinde.
